10-06-2009, 05:56 PM
OK, first off, this is a theory resulting from a conversation I had with Cipher over MSN. It started with the Pokémon timeline (of the games) that I believe in, which is this:
Colosseum --2 years--> Gen 1 (R, B, G, Y, FR, LG) and 3 (R, S, E) ---3 years-->Gen 2 (G, S, HG, SS) and 4 (D, P, Pt) and XD
We both agreed that this explains why the Legendary Birds did not appear in Johto in Generation 2, because they had flown to Sinnoh. There’s no proof they were caught, so we shall assume they weren’t.
Regarding legendaries, another theory arose, which is how come Groudon and Kyogre (and Rayquaza) would come to be in Johto according to recent Coro Coro scans.
As we know, in Generation 3 (specifically Emerald), Groudon and Kyogre had an epic battle which was stopped by Rayquaza, before the darned thing returned to Spear Pillar. Now, you could catch these three legendaries then, we know this, however, Kyogre and Groudon appear in Fiore (as well as Rayquaza) in Pokémon Ranger. Now, it seems they (Groudon and Kyogre) are resting up after a battle, which could have happened in Hoenn. This conveniently places Ranger after Gen 1 and 3 in my timeline. Rayquaza also makes an appearance, but does not act against either of them because they are not fighting.
Now, from what we know of HGSS, the two appear there as well. Now you can catch one or the other, depending on your game, and transfer the other across. Now, we know that Rayquaza will show up if you have the two, but this can’t be the same Rayquaza as the one in RSE as it’s off at Spear Pillar (assuming you haven’t caught it). It wouldn’t need to go to Fiore to rest up, because it didn’t get involved, it just stopped the fighting. So that would suggest there is a different Rayquaza in Fiore. This could explain why it appears in Johto as well, there is a Rayquaza in each region, there to break up any fighting between the other two that may occur.
However, if you transfer the two to Orre or Kanto, no fighting occurs. Well, in this case we can assume that trading isn’t storyline based as such (except for events where Pokémon need to be traded over, which is my next point).
OK, in the case of HGSS, trading is essential in the plot to get Rayquaza. However, what I like to do is lump the two stories together as fragments of the actual story. This makes sense if you think about it; Platinum’s story combined both Dialga and Palkia into the plot, yet only one was in Diamond/Pearl. A similar thing happened in Emerald, where both Groudon and Kyogre appeared and were important to the plot, when only one was available in either Ruby or Sapphire. This way we can assume that if there is a third game for HG/SS (whether or not there is or not is irrelevant to the point), that both Groudon and Kyogre would be available as a complete plot.
However, Cipher has been arguing with me for a while about FR/LG and how it relates to this, as there was no third game. Well, seriously, aside from the Pokémon that appeared in the wild, the games were identical (no legendary differences) so they both had the exact same full story, making it irrelevant which one links where. So, if we assume that both are the same (ignoring wild Pokémon as they aren’t story based), then it can be assumed that the three Legendary Birds weren’t caught, and therefore fled to Sinnoh at some point.
The three birds also appear in XD: Gale of Darkness. Well, in this case we can assume that it is another trio of them (seriously, they’re legendaries, not one of a kind, unlike Groudon, Kyogre, etc. which MIGHT be).
This is generally a theory to help find the continuity of the games (or at least a believable one), so I need your comments and criticisms about this.
And another thing, in one screenshot we’ve been shown, Cynthia says: "Witness the birth of Arceus and Legendary Pokémon." Now, this could be interpreted in a number of ways about which trio is being spoken about, but if we go with SPP’s idea that it is the Legendary trio from Platinum (Dialga, Palkia and Giratina), and you can find them at Level 1 at some point, then I can assume that ‘birth’ in this case means awakening, and Arceus may be awakening a back-up trio in case something happened to the first, e.g. Team Galactic, that it had created in case of such events. Cynthia is merely causing this to happen in case something happens (so this point in the story can be assumed to be a little while before Galactic tried to capture the three. This way, Galactic would still need to be stopped, but the Universe would be in no less danger, meaning Cynthia would allow a child of about ten to jump into a parallel world to stop a psychopath, because the fate of the world wouldn’t be much of an issue. Also, it explains why she didn’t turn up before the player does at Spear Pillar.
Comments and criticisms please.
Colosseum --2 years--> Gen 1 (R, B, G, Y, FR, LG) and 3 (R, S, E) ---3 years-->Gen 2 (G, S, HG, SS) and 4 (D, P, Pt) and XD
We both agreed that this explains why the Legendary Birds did not appear in Johto in Generation 2, because they had flown to Sinnoh. There’s no proof they were caught, so we shall assume they weren’t.
Regarding legendaries, another theory arose, which is how come Groudon and Kyogre (and Rayquaza) would come to be in Johto according to recent Coro Coro scans.
As we know, in Generation 3 (specifically Emerald), Groudon and Kyogre had an epic battle which was stopped by Rayquaza, before the darned thing returned to Spear Pillar. Now, you could catch these three legendaries then, we know this, however, Kyogre and Groudon appear in Fiore (as well as Rayquaza) in Pokémon Ranger. Now, it seems they (Groudon and Kyogre) are resting up after a battle, which could have happened in Hoenn. This conveniently places Ranger after Gen 1 and 3 in my timeline. Rayquaza also makes an appearance, but does not act against either of them because they are not fighting.
Now, from what we know of HGSS, the two appear there as well. Now you can catch one or the other, depending on your game, and transfer the other across. Now, we know that Rayquaza will show up if you have the two, but this can’t be the same Rayquaza as the one in RSE as it’s off at Spear Pillar (assuming you haven’t caught it). It wouldn’t need to go to Fiore to rest up, because it didn’t get involved, it just stopped the fighting. So that would suggest there is a different Rayquaza in Fiore. This could explain why it appears in Johto as well, there is a Rayquaza in each region, there to break up any fighting between the other two that may occur.
However, if you transfer the two to Orre or Kanto, no fighting occurs. Well, in this case we can assume that trading isn’t storyline based as such (except for events where Pokémon need to be traded over, which is my next point).
OK, in the case of HGSS, trading is essential in the plot to get Rayquaza. However, what I like to do is lump the two stories together as fragments of the actual story. This makes sense if you think about it; Platinum’s story combined both Dialga and Palkia into the plot, yet only one was in Diamond/Pearl. A similar thing happened in Emerald, where both Groudon and Kyogre appeared and were important to the plot, when only one was available in either Ruby or Sapphire. This way we can assume that if there is a third game for HG/SS (whether or not there is or not is irrelevant to the point), that both Groudon and Kyogre would be available as a complete plot.
However, Cipher has been arguing with me for a while about FR/LG and how it relates to this, as there was no third game. Well, seriously, aside from the Pokémon that appeared in the wild, the games were identical (no legendary differences) so they both had the exact same full story, making it irrelevant which one links where. So, if we assume that both are the same (ignoring wild Pokémon as they aren’t story based), then it can be assumed that the three Legendary Birds weren’t caught, and therefore fled to Sinnoh at some point.
The three birds also appear in XD: Gale of Darkness. Well, in this case we can assume that it is another trio of them (seriously, they’re legendaries, not one of a kind, unlike Groudon, Kyogre, etc. which MIGHT be).
This is generally a theory to help find the continuity of the games (or at least a believable one), so I need your comments and criticisms about this.
And another thing, in one screenshot we’ve been shown, Cynthia says: "Witness the birth of Arceus and Legendary Pokémon." Now, this could be interpreted in a number of ways about which trio is being spoken about, but if we go with SPP’s idea that it is the Legendary trio from Platinum (Dialga, Palkia and Giratina), and you can find them at Level 1 at some point, then I can assume that ‘birth’ in this case means awakening, and Arceus may be awakening a back-up trio in case something happened to the first, e.g. Team Galactic, that it had created in case of such events. Cynthia is merely causing this to happen in case something happens (so this point in the story can be assumed to be a little while before Galactic tried to capture the three. This way, Galactic would still need to be stopped, but the Universe would be in no less danger, meaning Cynthia would allow a child of about ten to jump into a parallel world to stop a psychopath, because the fate of the world wouldn’t be much of an issue. Also, it explains why she didn’t turn up before the player does at Spear Pillar.
Comments and criticisms please.